docs: the Python track — CPython via zig cc, the C layer, streams, dynamic libraries
Five design-and-milestone notes for making danos programmable before Zig self-hosts: - python-on-danos: why CPython, the WASI precedent, static-only interop - python-on-danos-milestones: P0–P5 (libc → seam → CPython → terminal+REPL → danos module → process control + shell) with tests and exit criteria - c-library-compatibility: the libdanos-c sysroot — musl computation lifted, Zig plumbing over runtime; staged road to full coverage (fork never comes) - character-devices-and-tty: stream nodes over the existing VFS; first device is an in-memory loopback (COM1 off the critical path); no pty object — the terminal serves its children directly - dynamic-libraries: post-P5 D1–D4, application-layer only The size doctrine runs through all of them: the OS stays lean (kernel in kilobytes, services small and static, never linking the libc); applications have their own budget.
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# Python on danos: the CPython milestone
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A design note (not built yet) on bringing **CPython** to danos, compiled with the Zig
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toolchain (`zig cc`). Like [zig-self-hosting.md](zig-self-hosting.md), it is
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forward-looking: it sets a direction and the decisions that follow from it.
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## Why Python, and why now
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The Zig self-hosting road is gated on a compiler fork and a long std-library seam.
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Python is the **stop-gap that removes the wait**: a working CPython gives danos a way
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to write programs — services, tools, application prototypes — *without* the Zig
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compiler being self-hosted, and it brings the pure-Python package ecosystem along as
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a bonus. The intended division of labour:
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- **Zig** — the kernel, drivers, and anything on a data plane (interrupt paths,
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DMA rings, block I/O). Unchanged.
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- **Python** — the control plane and the prototyping surface: services that are
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event loops over IPC, policy logic that changes often, application experiments,
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and eventually the shell.
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Python is also the scripting language for the terminal-and-shell arc: the first
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real danos application is planned as a terminal, a terminal wants a shell, a shell
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wants a scripting language — and [xonsh](https://xon.sh) (a shell written in
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Python) marks where that road can end.
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### Non-goals
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- **No drivers in Python.** Interrupt handling, ring management, and DMA stay in
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Zig. Python may *supervise and configure* drivers; it does not sit in their hot
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paths (interpreter overhead and garbage-collection pauses in an interrupt path
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are disqualifying).
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- **No dynamic loading during bring-up, no `pip`.** The whole arc here ships
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statically linked. Dynamic libraries are a real *later* milestone
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([dynamic-libraries.md](dynamic-libraries.md)) — an application-layer
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facility that unlocks `ctypes` and loadable extension modules; the operating
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system itself stays static and lean regardless (the size doctrine below).
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`pip` stays out either way until a networking track exists.
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- **No fork.** `os.fork` will not exist. This costs almost nothing (see "The
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spawn model fits").
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## The realization that shapes everything: the compiler is not the obstacle
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`zig cc` is a full Clang-based C cross-compiler, and CPython is portable C with
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official precedent for stranger targets than danos — the WASI port is upstream
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tier-2, and it runs **without fork, without dynamic loading, and without working
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threads**. Every "CPython can't possibly run there" objection has already been
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answered upstream by a target *more* constrained than danos.
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What CPython actually needs is a **C environment**: headers and a `libc.a`. danos
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has neither — and that is the whole project. In the language of the Zig roadmap's
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three doors, this is the **door-2-shaped work** (the deferred "musl door"), not the
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`std.os.danos` seam: CPython never touches Zig's std.
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### The same surface, a third time
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The Zig roadmap observed that door 1 (`std.os.danos`) and door 2 (a libc) implement
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the *same* ~30 danos-facing operations at different layers. CPython consumes that
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identical surface through C spellings. So nothing here is throwaway: the
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danos-native operations backing `runtime.os` are the same ones the libc bottoms out
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in, and the gaps this track must close (stdio byte streams, cwd, environment,
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entropy) are **exactly the Phase-1 gaps the Zig roadmap already lists**. The two
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tracks share a road until Python forks off at "build the libc."
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## Where danos stands: coverage vs. the gaps
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Judged against the minimal CPython configuration (static, WASI-like):
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| CPython need | danos today | Gap |
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|--------------|-------------|-----|
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| open/read/write/close/lseek, readdir | VFS + FAT via `runtime.fs` | none — wrap in C |
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| mkdir / unlink / rename / truncate | done (self-hosting Phase 2) | none |
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| stat with mtime | done (`wall_clock` + FAT mtime) | none |
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| mmap/munmap (object allocator) | native syscalls | none |
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| monotonic + wall clock | `clock` + `wall_clock` syscalls | none |
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| a place for `Lib/` | FAT boot image | none — better than WASI has it |
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| fork / exec | not needed (subprocess disabled at first) | — |
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| dynamic loading | not needed (static extension modules) | — |
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| getcwd / chdir | — | **missing** (shared with Zig Phase 1) |
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| environment variables | `Init` has no env | **missing** (can start empty) |
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| entropy | — | **missing** (hash seed; `PYTHONHASHSEED` pins it meanwhile) |
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| byte-stream stdin/stdout (fd 0/1/2) | `debug_write` out; structured `InputEvent` in | **missing** (shared with Zig Phase 1; the REPL needs it) |
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| signals | — | stubs suffice (WASI precedent); M17 signals-over-IPC maps on later |
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| threads | native `thread_spawn`/futex | build threadless first; a pthread subset later (xonsh needs it) |
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The clustering repeats the Zig roadmap's: **files, memory, and time are done; the
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work is the C packaging plus the small seam pieces** (tty bytes, cwd, env, entropy).
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## The libc decision: hand-rolled in Zig, computation lifted from musl
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Two viable shapes were considered:
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| Option | What it is | Verdict |
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|--------|-----------|---------|
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| **Mini-libc in Zig** | C-ABI-exporting Zig library over `runtime.os`/`runtime.fs`, shipped as headers + `libc.a`. | **Take this.** Reuses the danos-native surface directly; no Linux assumptions to fight. |
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| **Port musl** | Full musl with a danos syscall backend. | Defer, again. musl assumes Linux syscall semantics in places; heavier than the need. |
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The trick that makes the mini-libc tractable: musl's `string/`, `math/` (libm —
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CPython needs essentially all of it), and number-conversion layers are **pure
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computation with no syscalls**. Lift those wholesale (MIT-licensed, designed to
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compile standalone) and hand-write only:
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- the OS-facing bottom: fds, `mmap`, clocks, `exit`, `getcwd` — thin C-ABI wrappers
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over `runtime.os`;
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- a `FILE*` stdio layer (buffered, over the fd layer);
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- `malloc` over danos `mmap` (a simple allocator is fine; CPython does its own
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small-object arena management above it);
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- the headers (`stdio.h`, `stdlib.h`, `string.h`, `math.h`, `errno.h`, …).
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Estimate: **100–150 functions**, of which the hard 40% (libm, string, printf/strtod
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cores) are lifted, not written. Correctness hot spots are `strtod`/`dtoa` (Python's
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float repr round-trips through them) — another reason to lift musl's, not improvise.
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## C interop: static extension modules, not ctypes
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"Python can interface with C libraries" is true on danos with one important
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correction: **`ctypes` does not work at first** — it is built on `dlopen` + libffi,
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both of which arrive only with the [dynamic-libraries](dynamic-libraries.md)
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milestone (D2). Until then the interop story is the other, older one:
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- **Extension modules statically linked into the interpreter** via CPython's
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`Modules/Setup` mechanism (the standard route for embedded/static builds).
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- **Zig speaks C ABI natively**, so danos extension modules are written in Zig
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against `Python.h` — no C required. Two modules are planned from the start:
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- **`danos`** — the system module: endpoints, send/receive, capability passing,
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spawn, exit notification. This is what makes a Python *service* possible: an
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event loop over IPC, speaking the same wire protocols as Zig services.
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- **UI toolkit bindings** — the in-progress danos UI toolkit exposed to Python,
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so application prototypes drive real windows.
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The package story follows: **pure-Python packages work** (unpack into
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`Lib/site-packages` on the FAT image); packages with C extensions must be
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cross-compiled and baked into the interpreter — a curated set chosen per image,
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not `pip install`. That is the honest shape of the stop-gap.
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## The roadmap
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### Phase 0 — Toolchain + libc bring-up
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`zig cc -target x86_64-freestanding-none` plus `-isystem` the danos headers and the
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mini-libc archive. No compiler fork required — this track deliberately avoids the
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Zig roadmap's Phase-0 gate (if the fork lands first, the triple becomes a clean
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`x86_64-danos`; nothing else changes). Exit criterion: a **hello-world C program**
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compiles on the host and runs on danos, printing via the libc's `write`.
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### Phase 1 — The shared seam pieces
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The same list as Zig self-hosting Phase 1, closed once for both tracks:
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- fd 0/1/2 as console **byte** streams (output exists as `debug_write`; input is a
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new small thing — cooked line input first, raw mode when the REPL wants editing);
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- `getcwd`/`chdir`;
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- environment variables (an empty block is a valid start);
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- an entropy syscall or service (until then, builds pin `PYTHONHASHSEED`).
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### Phase 2 — Cross-compile CPython, minimal configuration
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Pin one CPython release (3.13 — strongest WASI-era cross-compile support). The
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mechanics are well-trodden upstream since 3.11:
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- a same-version **build-Python on the host** (`--with-build-python`);
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- a `config.site` cache answering what configure cannot probe cross
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(`ac_cv_file__dev_ptmx=no` and friends);
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- a `config.sub` patch so `x86_64-unknown-danos` parses;
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- `--disable-shared`, static `Modules/Setup` with a minimal module set
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(`posix`, `errno`, `_io`, `_codecs`, `time`, `math`, …);
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- `Lib/` shipped on the FAT image; `PYTHONHOME` pointed at it.
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Exit criterion: `python -c 'print(2**100)'` runs on danos under QEMU.
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### Phase 3 — Terminal + REPL: the first real application
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Depends on the display track's font rendering (already its stated next step) and
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Phase 1's tty. A terminal emulator drawing a `python` REPL is the milestone demo:
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interactive, self-evidently real, and it needs **zero** process-control machinery.
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### Phase 4 — The `danos` module and Python services
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Write the `danos` extension module and the UI-toolkit bindings; prototype one real
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service in Python (a policy-shaped one — e.g. hot-plug policy or a settings
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service) speaking the existing IPC protocols. This is the payoff phase for
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"prototyping a service or application."
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### Phase 5 — Process control, then the shell
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The shell — any shell, in any language — forces the surface danos has deferred so
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far: **exec-of-path, argv/envp passing, numeric exit status (`WEXITSTATUS`, not the
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categorical `ExitReason`), fd inheritance, and pipes.** That is a kernel/VFS
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milestone cluster of its own. Then, in order:
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1. `subprocess` enabled in CPython (maps onto danos spawn — see below);
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2. a **small Python shell** (a few hundred lines over `subprocess` + line input, no
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job control) — the forcing function that reveals which process-control pieces
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actually matter;
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3. **explicitly deferred:** a pthread subset over `thread_spawn`/futex
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(create/join/mutex/condition/thread-locals), signals via M17 signals-over-IPC,
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termios job control — and then **xonsh**, which wants all three.
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### The spawn model fits
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One genuinely good alignment: **CPython does not need fork.** `subprocess` maps
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cleanly onto a posix_spawn-style model — exactly what danos has — and the existing
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exit-notification-via-endpoint is a *better* fit for `Popen.wait` than Unix's
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`wait` semantics. `os.fork` simply won't exist, as on Windows, and almost nothing
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in practice cares.
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## Risks and gotchas
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- **Binary size — and the size doctrine that makes it acceptable.** danos's
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leanness mandate applies to the **operating system**: the kernel and the system
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services stay small (the kernel is measured in kilobytes, not megabytes), and
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nothing in this track changes that — Python never enters the OS layer. An
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**application** budget is different: a statically-linked CPython with its
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module set will be tens of megabytes in ReleaseSafe (the measured ~2×
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safety-check factor compounds it), and that is *allowed* — applications live
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on the FAT image, not in the kernel's world. It still shapes the image, and it
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means every Python service shares one interpreter binary + per-service
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scripts, so the spawn model needs **argv** before "run this .py" works at all.
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- **FAT mtime granularity is 2 seconds.** CPython's `.pyc` cache validation is
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mtime-based by default; a rapid edit-run cycle can see stale bytecode. Use
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hash-based `.pyc` invalidation (PEP 552, `--invalidation-mode checked-hash` at
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freeze time) or accept the quirk during bring-up.
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- **FAT name lookups are case-insensitive.** Long file names preserve case but
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match insensitively — the same world Python inhabits on Windows/macOS, so
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importlib copes, but two modules differing only by case cannot coexist on the
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image.
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- **`strtod`/float repr correctness.** Python's float round-tripping is exacting;
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lift musl's conversions rather than writing them, and run CPython's float tests
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early.
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- **Threadless build is load-bearing, initially.** Like WASI, the first builds have
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no working `threading`. The escape hatch is real (danos has native threads and
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futexes; a pthread subset is Phase-5 work) but keep the configuration honestly
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single-threaded until then.
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- **The test suite is the porting harness.** CPython ships its own conformance
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suite; getting `test_builtin`, `test_int`, `test_float`, `test_io` running on
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danos early converts "it seems to work" into a checklist. Budget image space for
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the test `Lib/` tree during bring-up.
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- **Entropy before exposure.** `PYTHONHASHSEED=0` is fine for bring-up and wrong
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forever; hash randomization exists because attacker-controlled dict keys are a
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denial-of-service vector. Land the entropy source before any Python service
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parses external input.
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## Related
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- [python-on-danos-milestones.md](python-on-danos-milestones.md) — the execution
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plan (P0–P5) for this note.
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- [c-library-compatibility.md](c-library-compatibility.md) — the mini-libc
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(libdanos-c) design behind Phase 0.
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- [character-devices-and-tty.md](character-devices-and-tty.md) — the stream-node /
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console / no-pty design behind Phase 1.
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- [zig-self-hosting.md](zig-self-hosting.md) — the sibling track; shares Phase 1,
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diverges at the libc.
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- [os-development/syscall.md](os-development/syscall.md) — the kernel ABI the
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mini-libc bottoms out in.
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- [os-development/vdso.md](os-development/vdso.md) — the public ABI boundary the
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`danos` extension module wraps.
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- [os-development/sysv.md](os-development/sysv.md) — the entry stack (argv/envp)
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the spawn-argv work extends.
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- [device-driver-development/ipc.md](device-driver-development/ipc.md) — the IPC
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surface Python services speak.
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- [file-system-development/danos-file-system-hierarchy-FSH.md](file-system-development/danos-file-system-hierarchy-FSH.md)
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— where `Lib/` and `site-packages` land on the image.
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